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		<title>Confirmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I were confirmed in the Anglican church this morning. What an amazing journey this has been. Had you asked the me of my late teens or college years if I thought I&#8217;d ever be going to a church like this, I&#8217;d have thought you were crazy. I was knee deep in Pentecostalism [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=158&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I were confirmed in the Anglican church this morning.  What an amazing journey this has been.  Had you asked the me of my late teens or college years if I thought I&#8217;d ever be going to a church like this, I&#8217;d have thought you were crazy.  I was knee deep in Pentecostalism and looked askance at anything that smacked of &#8220;tradition&#8221; or &#8220;ritual.&#8221;  If a place wasn&#8217;t buzzing with people speaking in tongues or throwing down some funky worship music, it was dead and wasn&#8217;t &#8216;free in the Spirit.&#8217;</p>
<p>Amazing how things change.  Now I crave the quietness and time to reflect and pray.  Not even my favorite worship song (and I do still enjoy some modern worship music) comes anywhere close to the worship I experience when I receive the Body and Blood of Christ each week.  My children are learning more about God than ever before and we get to worship together and they get to see Mommy and Daddy worship instead of being shuttled off until the service is over.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy.  And a year or so ago, I wasn&#8217;t sure if I&#8217;d be able to say that anytime soon.  Thanks be to God.  Alleluia, alleluia!</p>
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		<title>Settling In</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 04:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I figure it&#8217;s time for an update. I couldn&#8217;t have asked for things to go any better. My wife (hereafter referred to as &#8220;C.&#8221;) confessed the other night that she has really come to love going to the Anglican church, even though she&#8217;s still not totally &#8220;natural&#8221; at the liturgy. She really enjoys the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=155&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I figure it&#8217;s time for an update.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have asked for things to go any better.  My wife (hereafter referred to as &#8220;C.&#8221;) confessed the other night that she has really come to love going to the Anglican church, even though she&#8217;s still not totally &#8220;natural&#8221; at the liturgy.  She really enjoys the teaching and communion every week and has come to appreciate the more reverent style of worship.  </p>
<p>The kicker for her (and me) is the effect it&#8217;s having on our kids.  They seem to be learning so much more in Sunday School than they were at our previous church.  We&#8217;d ask them after church what they talked about and they never could tell us.  Now they excitedly tell us all kinds of things from Bible stories to things about the church year to asking questions about the Eucharist and how the bread is Jesus&#8217; body and the wine is His blood.  It&#8217;s really remarkable.</p>
<p>Another effect related to the kids is that while they do leave during the processional hymn to go to children&#8217;s church, they come back right after the sermon to be with us for the liturgy of Holy Communion.  This is I think the most meaningful thing to me and I&#8217;m not sure I really knew how much it would mean to me.  While they do spend some of the time drawing on paper, when we say the prayers, sing The Lord&#8217;s Prayer (I love singing it.  The liturgical music is beautiful), sing the Sanctus and kneel for confession and the Eucharistic prayers, we involve them.  My older one is starting to learn the singing parts and listens during the other parts.  It blesses me so much to not only worship in front of my kids as an example to but begin worshiping <em>with</em> them.  And while they aren&#8217;t old enough to receive Communion, they do come up with us and kneel and receive a blessing from the priest while me and C. receive the Sacrament.  It&#8217;s really a wonderful time for us.</p>
<p>On top of all this, we&#8217;ve been attending a Sunday School class and have been invited into a community group that meets in homes every other week.  And true to form, everyone has been extremely warm and welcoming.  I feel like we&#8217;re really starting to fit in and get to know some people.  These rich, beautiful people have blown away every preconceived notion me and C. had about such folks.  It&#8217;s really extraordinary.</p>
<p>C. remarked to me the other night that she just wishes she&#8217;d have known 2 years ago what she knows now.  She wishes we would have not waited to start attending.  So, we are in the process of joining the church officially.  Being from more informal churches, the process is a little more structured that what we&#8217;re used to (basically a handshake and coming down front after the service)&#8230;a 6-week adult catechism class and then being officially received by the Bishop when he visits later this year.  </p>
<p>Thank you so much for your prayers and continue to pray for us as we dive in more and more.  Also, though I know he doesn&#8217;t read this blog, thank you to Mark Galli for writing the book <a onclick="return mugicPopWin(this,event);" oncontextmenu="mugicRightClick(this);" href="http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Smells-Bells-Christian-Liturgy/dp/1557255210">Beyond Smells and Bells: The Wonder and Power of Christian Liturgy</a>.  It&#8217;s such an easy to read book and has done wonders to help C. understand the significance and symbolism involved in the various aspects of the liturgy and feel more comfortable.  I read it a year or so ago and loved it myself but I think it&#8217;s been a Godsend for her.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not done blogging, so this isn&#8217;t a goodbye post.  The journey is really only beginning.  </p>
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		<title>We&#8217;ve lost a friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Spencer, The Internet Monk, has passed away I&#8217;m not sure what to do or say.  I&#8217;m sad.  I&#8217;m ticked off.  I&#8217;m tired of good people and needed voices being taken from us while evil men prosper.  I know the rain falls on the unjust and just alike, but I&#8217;ll admit, I hate that it [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=147&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/michael-spencer-1956-2010"><strong>Michael Spencer, The Internet Monk, has passed away</strong></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to do or say.  I&#8217;m sad.  I&#8217;m ticked off.  I&#8217;m tired of good people and needed voices being taken from us while evil men prosper.  I know the rain falls on the unjust and just alike, but I&#8217;ll admit, I hate that it works that way.  I&#8217;d rather see people like Michael thrive and live well into old age while those who do nothing but tear us down and make the world worse would get cancer.  I understand that&#8217;s not the right attitude to take, but I&#8217;m just being honest. Maybe some time and perspective will help me see it in a better light, but right now, I&#8217;m just so down and so sad.</p>
<p>Lord, please make Your presence be felt and known by Denise and the kids.   Give them peace and comfort.  Embrace them both through your Holy Spirit and the company of good friends.  We are all really going to miss Michael and wish you&#8217;d given us more time with him down here.  Just be sure to introduce us in heaven one day since I only got to talk to him via email.  I want him to know what an impact his writings had on me, if for no other reason than it made me realize I wasn&#8217;t crazy to feel the way I was feeling.</p>
<p><strong>NOTE:  As a gesture of support, perhaps we could all go ahead and pre-order Michael&#8217;s book that&#8217;s due out in September. Here&#8217;s the link at Amazon: </strong></p>
<p><strong></strong><a onclick="return mugicPopWin(this,event);" oncontextmenu="mugicRightClick(this);" href="http://www.amazon.com/Mere-Churchianity-Finding-Jesus-Shaped-Spirituality/dp/0307459179/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1270563280&amp;sr=1-1"><strong>Mere Churchianity by Michael Spencer</strong></a></p>
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		<title>Internet Monk update</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lord hear our prayer for Michael. We need a miracle. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-update—32310 Filed under: Uncategorized<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=144&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord hear our prayer for Michael.  We need a miracle.</p>
<p>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-update—32310</p>
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		<title>Devastating news</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[An update on Michael Spencer, the Internet Monk, and his struggle with cancer: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/michael-spencer-update-392010 I&#8217;m sad beyond words and fervently pray for a better outcome than what&#8217;s being expected.  Lord, hear our prayer. Filed under: Current events, Prayer Requests<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=142&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update on Michael Spencer, the Internet Monk, and his struggle with cancer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/michael-spencer-update-392010">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/michael-spencer-update-392010</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sad beyond words and fervently pray for a better outcome than what&#8217;s being expected.  Lord, hear our prayer.</p>
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		<title>Prayers would be appreciated</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, our family attended the local Anglican parish this morning for the first time in over two years.  My wife told me a few weeks ago that she was ready to go and that she just felt like it was time.  I had to be out of town for a week so this Sunday was [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=140&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, our family attended the local Anglican parish this morning for the first time in over two years.  My wife told me a few weeks ago that she was ready to go and that she just felt like it was time.  I had to be out of town for a week so this Sunday was the first opportunity.</p>
<p>It was a bit stressful as she started expressing serious anxiety over the whole matter on the way there, mostly due to it being so &#8220;different&#8221; from what we&#8217;re used to but another unspoken issue is a perception that it&#8217;s an affluent church full of skinny, pretty people.  She&#8217;s afraid we won&#8217;t relate to the families there who are (mostly) in a higher economic class than we are and that our kids will have a hard time making friends with all the rich private school kids.</p>
<p>Overall, I think it went fine.  There was the normal fumbling with the Book of Common Prayer and not being sure what to do next.  We&#8217;d tried to prepare the kids for what to do during the Eucharist but since they didn&#8217;t have they&#8217;re hands cupped and held out, the rector thought they weren&#8217;t receiving this morning and simply gave them a blessing.  On the other hand, a friend of mine from high school is involved with the children&#8217;s ministry and came up to meet my family.  She then took us around to show us the Sunday School programs, explain the Catechesis of the Good Shepherd and I think all of that helped.  Plus the sermon was really good.  So all in all I think it went fairly well.</p>
<p>I really want us to give this a real, open-minded attempt this time around.   Last time we visited for 4 weeks or so, but never engaged.  We plan on attending Sunday School next week and I want us to really try to immerse ourselves in the life of this church.</p>
<p>So, I covet your prayers.  I ultimately want to be where God wants us to be, but I want to give this place every chance.  So please pray that my wife&#8217;s anxiety will subside and that she will truly be open-minded to the liturgy, the quieter, slower pace and the other things this church has to offer versus your typical contemporary evangelical megachurch experience we&#8217;re used to.  And help us and the kids to make new friends we can relate to and that relate to us.</p>
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		<title>iMonk:  Thoughts on a day of Catholic radio</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spent the entire day yesterday listening to Catholic radio. I took in EWTN and Ave Maria in about equal portions, along with a couple of archived hours of Catholic Answers. I thought it would be interesting to the IM audience today to hear some of my thoughts on the “Catholic radio” experience. Let me [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=136&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I spent the entire day yesterday listening to Catholic radio. I took in EWTN and Ave Maria in about equal portions, along with a couple of archived hours of Catholic Answers. I thought it would be interesting to the IM audience today to hear some of my thoughts on the “Catholic radio” experience.</p>
<p>Let me say a couple of things. First, some good Catholic friends have told me not to do this. Not because it is counter-productive as much as simply a bit distorted in its picture of the Church. EWTN is one kind of American Catholic experience, but it’s very much its own culture and flavor. There is lots more going on, some not as conservative, some far deeper and richer in flavor. I hope I counted all of this as I reflected on what I was hearing.</p>
<p>Secondly, I’m very open to what Catholicism has to say. I’m about as soft a sell as you could find right now. My own evangelicalism has made its case to me and while I remain part of the evangelical community, I am not manning the ramparts with weapons. I’m opening windows and doors, actively inviting in the voices of non-evangelical Christians and their experience of Christ.</p>
<p>Third, it was the Feast of the Immaculate Conception yesterday, so I heard a lot of discussion of Mary.</p>
<p>So here are some of my reflections. No particular order or significance to placement&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/thoughts-on-a-day-of-catholic-radio" target="_blank">Click here</a> to read the rest.  It&#8217;s an excellent piece.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Skipping to the last page</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone I know wrote this and he&#8217;s allowed me to share it with you.  It meshes very well with my own feelings. The Problem With Christian Music (or Skipping to the Last Page) The song that brought this to mind is &#8220;Gravity&#8221; by Sara Bareilles. Something always brings me back to you. It never takes [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=131&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone I know wrote this and he&#8217;s allowed me to share it with you.  It meshes very well with my own feelings.</p>
<p><strong>The Problem With Christian Music (or Skipping to the Last Page)</strong></p>
<p>The song that brought this to mind is &#8220;Gravity&#8221; by Sara Bareilles.</p>
<p><em>Something always brings me back to you.<br />
It never takes too long<br />
No matter what I say or do I&#8217;ll still feel you here &#8217;til the moment I&#8217;m gone</em></p>
<p><em>You hold me without touch<br />
You keep me without chains<br />
I never wanted anything so much than to drown in your love and not feel your reign</em></p>
<p><em>CHORUS<br />
Set me free, leave me be. I don&#8217;t want to fall another moment into your gravity<br />
Here I am and I stand so tall, just the way I&#8217;m supposed to be<br />
But you&#8217;re on to me and all over me</em></p>
<p><em>You loved me &#8217;cause I&#8217;m fragile,<br />
When I thought that I was strong<br />
But you touch me for a little while and all my fragile strength is gone</em></p>
<p><em>[CHORUS]</em></p>
<p><em>I live here on my knees as I try to make you see that you&#8217;re everything I think I need here on the ground<br />
But you&#8217;re neither friend nor foe though I can&#8217;t seem to let you go,<br />
The one thing that I still know is that you&#8217;re keeping me down</em></p>
<p><em>[CHORUS]</em></p>
<p>The artist seems to have a bad relationship in mind. A choreographer on &#8220;So You Think You Can Dance&#8221; this past season reinterpreted it with one dancer playing the role of a malevolent addiction pulling the strings of control and holding down a person desperate to be freed from its clutches. Filtered through my Christian worldview I can also see this another kind of struggle. The allure and desire for something that is killing us can at certain moments seem overwhelming if we&#8217;re being honest. Whether it&#8217;s a daily struggle with alcoholism, the enticement of lust and pornography, the creeping discontent brought on by materialism, jealousy and envy or a smoldering, volcanic temper waiting to explode on those we love most, the fight is very real. And what gets us about it is that we often run to whatever it is for comfort and release, believing the damnable lie that the rush we feel from indulging ourselves will be lasting and fulfilling or solve our problems.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m very aware of the problems with so-called &#8220;secular&#8221; music and entertainment. I&#8217;ve heard them nearly all my life. But sometimes, and not as infrequent as some may think, one of those secular songs or artists just gets it right in a way that Christian music rarely does when it comes to honestly assessing the human condition. Among the unwashed masses, there just doesn&#8217;t seem to be this need to pretty everything up and tie the neat little bow on the end of it. Everything&#8217;s not happy. Sometimes things don&#8217;t end well. Sometimes we don&#8217;t understand and relief isn&#8217;t in sight. But to listen to about 99% of the music on Christian radio, you would be convinced that God steps into virtually all of life&#8217;s situations and fixes them within the span of a 3 1/2 minute song. We know deep down that life doesn&#8217;t work like that but the songs make us feel good so we play along and perpetuate the lie.</p>
<p>I call this syndrome &#8220;skipping to the last page.&#8221; It&#8217;s that urge when you&#8217;re reading a novel and tragedy strikes the characters you care most about that makes you want to flip toward the end to make sure that they&#8217;re going to be ok, that the girl and boy end up together and so on. It also happens with the Bible. We tend to remember best the verses that talk about triumph, victory, God stepping in to fix things, how great Heaven is going to be and how Jesus wins in the end. But meanwhile there are these nagging reminders throughout Scripture that relief isn&#8217;t always measured in days, weeks or months. Sometimes it&#8217;s measured in decades or centuries where even some people&#8217;s lifetimes did not afford them the answers and relief they sought. Whole books are devoted to a near avalanche of regret and mourning such as Lamentations. Chapter after chapter goes by with very little reminder that God will bring healing and restoration. Ecclesiates raises question after difficult question, mostly without resolution. And given how long some of these chapters and books are (such that most people don&#8217;t read the whole thing in one sitting), I can&#8217;t help but feel that God did this by design. He actually wants us to marinate, to sit and ponder the heartache and lament because contrary to our typical way of wanting life to proceed, He doesn&#8217;t see the destination as the only thing that really matters. The path and the time it takes to walk it is just as important as where we&#8217;re going.</p>
<p>The truth is for many, this struggle is not solved by simply going to the altar, having some spiritual superstar pray it away or repeating enough &#8220;victory&#8221; verses from the Bible. That&#8217;s not to say that God never does the miraculous and completely rid us of a problem or struggle. But most of the time, His response is the one He gave Paul regarding his famous thorn in the flesh: &#8220;My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness.&#8221; We&#8217;ll have times where we don&#8217;t really think about it and other times where we can feel its hot breath right on our neck, but it&#8217;s always lurking around&#8230;right alongside our fervent desire to follow hard after Christ. And this is normal. There&#8217;s no need to skip to the last page or fast forward to the happy ending of the movie. God has purpose in the struggle itself and those purposes are good. But they cannot be accomplished without allowing for the struggle and suffering. Just be honest about it, both to yourself and to those around you. Call it what it is, how it really feels and then cast yourself on God, even if He doesn&#8217;t fix it in your preferred timeframe.</p>
<p>Now if we could just get that same kind of honesty from our favorite Christian music.</p>
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		<title>So close, yet so far&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#8217;m still alive folks. Sorry about the lack of posting, but it&#8217;s just been hard to get on here and do anything in depth. A quick update though. The Methodist church we&#8217;ve been attending has been going through some turmoil of sorts. Nothing catastrophic, but some of the teaching pastors are moving on to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=130&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m still alive folks.  Sorry about the lack of posting, but it&#8217;s just been hard to get on here and do anything in depth.</p>
<p>A quick update though.  The Methodist church we&#8217;ve been attending has been going through some turmoil of sorts.  Nothing catastrophic, but some of the teaching pastors are moving on to new endeavors, there&#8217;s been a issue with the children&#8217;s ministry that we&#8217;re just not satisfied with, even after approaching the leadership and talking things through with them.  So we&#8217;re likely moving on to another church soon.</p>
<p>At first, I thought my wife was ready to go back to the Anglican church again because of some encouraging conversations with a member I know there regarding their children&#8217;s and youth programs.  She hinted that the next Sunday could be our last where we are and then we could talk to my friend about meeting up with them at the Anglican church the following Sunday.  But alas, I think she got cold feet and she wants to wait until they&#8217;re in their new building (the original plan).  I was hoping we&#8217;d get to celebrate the advent season there but it&#8217;s not to be.  Keep us in your prayers.  This is a difficult transition time for us.</p>
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		<title>My take on Obama&#8217;s health care speech</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sat listening to the President last night deliver what I believe to be a long overdue speech on health care and the direction he wants a proposed bill to go.  My wife and I have talked about this some and I told her almost from the get-go that he was making a mistake not [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=127&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat listening to the President last night deliver what I believe to be a long overdue speech on health care and the direction he wants a proposed bill to go.  My wife and I have talked about this some and I told her almost from the get-go that he was making a mistake not to hand Congress at least the skeleton of an actual bill to work from, instead allowing that bickering bunch to cobble something together on their own.  People need direction and Congress has demonstrated they are incapable of rising above party ideology to get anything significant accomplished.  But anyway, I thought Obama delivered the speech well and did a good job of explaining why health care reform is needed.</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;ll reveal my biases, both past and present.  I&#8217;ve grown up Republican.  I&#8217;ve never voted for a Democrat for President and can&#8217;t think of one I would have supported in the elections that have occurred in my lifetime.  My default switch is set toward finding a way for private entities and the free market to solve problems.  In my experience, when the government takes over something, it tends to get mired down in red tape and bureaucracy, is terribly inefficient and doesn&#8217;t deliver the same quality of service as a private entity does.  On the other hand, health care seems to be in a totally different category than other things for me.  I have a hard time believing that if someone posed the question &#8220;Is health care a right or a privilege&#8221; to Jesus, that He&#8217;d come down on the side of  &#8221;privilege&#8221; and expect people who can&#8217;t afford decent insurance coverage to just go bankrupt or throw themselves on the mercy of a (hopefully) charitable doctor or hospital.  So to that end, I believe universal health care coverage is a worthwhile and noble goal.  I&#8217;m just not sure how to get there.  The systems in Britain and Canada don&#8217;t impress me because as with all things that are free (or at least are perceived to be free since there&#8217;s no transaction at the point of service), supply can&#8217;t keep up with demand and rationing begins either in the form of long waits or some treatments simply being unavailable.</p>
<p>So when President Obama talked last night I found myself agreeing with him on a lot of what he said.  Those of us who have health insurance are still seeing it increase by way too much each year.  There are the headaches with &#8220;gotcha&#8221; clauses in the coverage.  People get dropped over technicalities when it appears the insurance is about to have to cover some expensive treatments.  A person changes jobs and their new health plan won&#8217;t cover them because of a preexisting condition that the previous employers plan was covering.  Coverage is expensive even when the employer pays most of the cost, so people who don&#8217;t make enough money can&#8217;t afford coverage.  Others work for employers that don&#8217;t offer coverage at all.  The self employed find it extremely expensive to pay for a good health plan.  It&#8217;s a tough situation.  And I thought he did a good job of compromising and being pragmatic as to how to achieve what he laid out as his ultimate goals, drawing from ideas originating on both sides of the political aisle.</p>
<p>But in the end, we have to look at cost.  Almost $1 trillion over the next 10 years.  And such estimates are notoriously low when it comes to major government spending programs.  Even assuming that Obama&#8217;s figures are right on the money, can we actually pay for this simply with cutting out waste, fraud and abuse and increasing efficiencies in the current health care system?  No tax increases?  Really?  Not sure I believe that.  And if the projections for the next ten years of cost are accurate, how do we avoid the bloat and explosion of growth in costs that inevitably seem to follow government programs that have been around for a while?  Because such programs are also notoriously hard to get rid of once they&#8217;re in place and people are dependent on them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for insuring everyone in a manner they can afford and gives them good coverage.  I do think that Christ would have us figure out a way to help &#8220;the least of these&#8221; in such a manner if it&#8217;s within our power to do so.  But the question is, is it really within our budget and capabilities to pull it off without demand vastly outstripping supply, the quality of care overall going down and the costs shooting through the roof?</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Adaptability or Consistency?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished the book Christianity&#8217;s Dangerous Idea by Alister McGrath.  First of all, I highly recommend the book.  It&#8217;s an excellent treatment of the issues surrounding the Reformation and all its major players from Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Bucer and others. One of the things it talked about was how Protestantism, outside of the Lutheran [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=123&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished the book <em>Christianity&#8217;s Dangerous Idea</em> by Alister McGrath.  First of all, I highly recommend the book.  It&#8217;s an excellent treatment of the issues surrounding the Reformation and all its major players from Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Bucer and others.</p>
<p>One of the things it talked about was how Protestantism, outside of the Lutheran and Calvinist camps especially, as been so remarkably adaptable to different times, different countries and different cultures.  For sure, there have been eras of missteps in missionary efforts where too much emphasis was placed on transplanting a Western European style of Christianity into countries where the cultural norms and such are vastly different.  But the overall history of Protestantism has been one of amazing malleability.  And to most Protestants, this is a sign of it&#8217;s vitality and a source of great strength.  Aside from being centered around a sermon, you can encounter scores of different styles from country to country or even within one city.  You might walk into a Baptist church that&#8217;s very &#8220;countrified&#8221; with Southern Gospel style hymns and right down the road walk into another with all the high church pomp and circumstance you&#8217;d see in a Catholic service.  And right down from that would be one with a kickin&#8217; rock band leading worship, congregants in jeans and t-shirts and the pastor sporting a faux-hawk.  And that doesn&#8217;t even scratch the surface of all the predominantly African-American congregations.</p>
<p>On the other hand, worldwide, Catholic and Orthodox churches are largely the same.  This was especially the case prior to Vatican II and the Mass being in the vernacular.  You could go anywhere in the world and the Mass was spoken in Latin and was in the same form.  Even with the vernacular, because the form of the Mass is consistent, most experienced Catholics can follow the service fairly easily even with the language barrier.  And this consistency is viewed by Catholics as a sign of strength and vitality as well.  They feel they adapt in more subtle ways to each culture (such as Mass in the vernacular) but that the more consistent liturgy and emphasis promotes unity and cohesiveness in the Church.</p>
<p>And this adaptability vs consistency thing doesn&#8217;t just apply to different cultures and countries now.  Outside of high church Lutherans and Anglicans, Protestantism is nothing if not willing to change.  No matter what era Protestantism finds itself in, there seems to be a near constant desire to change and seek to be &#8220;relevant.&#8221;  This is especially true of the last 30-40 years or so, since those first hippies started coming to Christ during the Jesus Movement, but whether it was John and Charles Wesley, Charles Finney and Dwight Moody, the rise of Pentecostalism or the New Calvinists, this is has been a hallmark of Protestantism.</p>
<p>Catholicism (and to a similar degree Orthodoxism) on the other hand has been marked by its ties to history and (little &#8220;t&#8221;) tradition.  Some of the rites, creeds, prayers, music and other facets of Catholic worship have been around since the earliest days of the Church.  Many others have been in consistent use in Catholic services for centuries.  There&#8217;s a connectedness and a feeling of being anchored in something bigger than oneself but more importantly, bigger than &#8220;right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, I&#8217;m torn over which is the best approach.  I&#8217;ve mentioned my feelings numerous times&#8230;how I lament the lack of historicity and the sense that we&#8217;ve lost something in all this manic striving to be culturally hip and relevant.  I find a depth and richness in traditional, liturgical worship that just seems lacking in much of contemporary styles.  But at the same time, I realize that everyone is not like me.  No matter how much you explain to some people the richness and deep meanings of the liturgy and its ancient roots, they don&#8217;t get it.  And it&#8217;s not that they don&#8217;t get it because they are non-Christians unattuned to the things of God.  These are wonderful, growing, sincere believers in Christ.  They might be able to appreciate elements of traditional worship from time to time, they prefer the more casual, modern style.  They feel like they connect with God on a more personal level in that kind of setting and that their relationship with God is much better partly because of the willingness of churches to loosen up and not be bogged down with attachments to songs and styles and cultural trappings that are no longer a part of modern life.  I even felt that way myself at one point, but as this blog attests, that&#8217;s changed with me.  It doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t appreciate a well-done modern worship service, I just have different tastes and different things that matter more to me.</p>
<p>What do you think?  There are pros and cons to both approaches I believe.  What is more important&#8230;cultural relevance in worship style or a connection to the past and our Christian brethren from times gone by?  As long as the Gospel is being taught and people are being discipled and matured in the faith, should the form in which those things are conveyed matter?</p>
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		<title>How do you prefer Holy Communion (The Eucharist)?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning we had a really good service and the sermon in particular was very thought-provoking and convicting.  One of the best since we started attending this church. At the end we had Holy Communion together and even though we were in the contemporary service, it was handled much more reverently than in times past.  [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=119&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning we had a really good service and the sermon in particular was very thought-provoking and convicting.  One of the best since we started attending this church.</p>
<p>At the end we had Holy Communion together and even though we were in the contemporary service, it was handled much more reverently than in times past.  And I got to thinking about the different ways I&#8217;ve seen the Eucharist handled in various churches.  In Catholic and Anglican churches, people come up row by row to the front and receive the bread directly from the priest/rector (or sometimes lay ministers in larger congregations) and drink the wine from a common cup.  In the more formal Methodist church of my upbringing it was similar except the minister and associate minister walked down the row of people who&#8217;d come up front with a plate of the bread and a tray of individual communion cups.  The people would take one of each themselves, eat and drink it right there, then return to their pews.</p>
<p>Since then in various places I&#8217;ve seen all sorts of variations such as going to various stations around the room to get the bread and the cup and then return to one&#8217;s seat and wait until everyone has the elements so we can all take together.  Or one where everyone remains seated while the ushers or deacons pass the tray with bread and individual cups down the rows and the people either immediately ingest the elements or they wait for everyone to take together.</p>
<p>My question is, is there one superior way of doing this from a theological perspective?  I know I can appreciate the symbolism in some of the variations.  I like the common cup and the act of receiving the Eucharist (as opposed to just getting it yourself) because it seems to befit an act that is primarilyone of God initiating His grace toward us rather than us &#8220;grasping&#8221; for it.  Then again, I like the communal aspect of us all having the bread and wine and taking it together as the minister invokes the words of consecration.  It takes some of the individualism out of it.  And from a practical (not to mention hygenic) perspective, the individual cups make some sense.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Is there some God-ordained way this absolutely has to be done outside of using the proper elements (bread, &#8220;fruit of the vine&#8221;) and treating it with reverence and the typical Scripture references from Corinthians or the Last Supper being spoken?</p>
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		<title>I&#8217;m still around</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just haven&#8217;t been inspired to write anything in particular lately and things are in sort of a holding pattern with regard to church. I am reading Christianity&#8217;s Dangerous Idea by Alister McGrath on the Protestant Reformation so I will probably be blogging on some of that stuff here soon. Posted in Protestantism, update<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=116&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just haven&#8217;t been inspired to write anything in particular lately and things are in sort of a holding pattern with regard to church.</p>
<p>I am reading <em>Christianity&#8217;s Dangerous Idea</em> by Alister McGrath on the Protestant Reformation so I will probably be blogging on some of that stuff here soon.</p>
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		<title>I Wish I Believed…</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in the age of dial-up, when regular people were just beginning to get on the internet, the first things I discovered were message boards. There were tons of them. And the ones I seemed to gravitate to the most were theology boards and ones devoted to debating Christianity with atheists and agnostics. Generally speaking [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=111&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the age of dial-up, when regular people were just beginning to get on the internet, the first things I discovered were message boards.  There were tons of them.  And the ones I seemed to gravitate to the most were theology boards and ones devoted to debating Christianity with atheists and agnostics.  Generally speaking those debates generated way more heat than light, but every now and then you’d have a conversation that went deeper, perhaps via email off the boards or in private messages.  And more than once a more level-headed, non-angry atheist would say something about how they appreciated my approach and kindness (I wish more would have felt prompted to say that about me, but I sometimes struggled to keep my temper and sarcasm in check) and that they looked at me or others on the boards and wished they could believe.</p>
<p>That always seemed to be so odd to me.  Someone who looks longingly at Christian faith and sees beauty and peace and something desirable, but can’t bring themselves to say they actually believe it.  It seemed so sad.  All I could do was pray for them and try to answer whatever questions I could and encourage them to keep an open mind on it.  You can’t just make someone see something they don’t see.   I can’t imagine not believing in God so sometimes it’s hard for me to really put myself in their shoes and feel what it would be like to really NOT believe…until now.</p>
<p>I’m starting to understand where they are coming from, but it’s not what you may be thinking.  I’m still a believer.  The world literally makes no sense to me without God in it.  I can’t “unbelieve” such a thing any more than I could unbelieve that my wife and children exist.  But I do wish that I could believe something.  My friend is so certain and so at peace with his decision to become Catholic.  He did his homework, read a ton and came to the conclusion that the Catholic church was the church Christ founded and that it’s the church we all should seek to be reunited to.  I on the other hand have read far more and for a longer time than he did, but I’m still wandering in the wilderness.  I admire so much about Catholicism and find much about it to be so attractive.  I have similar admiration for other traditions such as Orthodoxy, traditional Anglicanism and Lutheranism too, but particularly on the latter two (in addition to traditionally minded Reformed churches) I still run into the question of authority.  Who has the ultimate authority to decide between widely divergent interpretations on Scripture and Christian doctrine?  It just seems that splintering over and over becomes inevitable no matter which tradition you choose, except Catholicism.</p>
<p>But though I look longingly across the Tiber at what seems to be a much more stable and solidly rooted faith, I find myself thinking, “I just wish I could believe…”  And the wishes are about many things.  Among them, I wish I could believe:</p>
<p>…that the Pope and Magisterium truly were infallible on matters of faith and interpreting Scripture.</p>
<p>…that the bread and wine in the Eucharist truly were the literal body and blood of Christ.</p>
<p>…that the Marian dogmas were true and that asking her and other saints for their intercession was truly effective rather than idolatrous.</p>
<p>…that I could agree with the Catholic Church fully on their stances regarding divorce and contraception.</p>
<p>…that if I chose to cross the Tiber, that I wouldn’t be sitting there 5-10 years from now unhappy again and wanting more out of church and the Christian life but now being completely befuddled as to where to go next.</p>
<p>I could go on and on I suppose but I guess what this really speaks to is that I’m so tired and weary.  Nearly exhausted mentally and emotionally.  I’m tired of being restless in my spirit and mind.  I’m tired of not feeling like I can really jump in with both feet somewhere because of all these unsettled theological questions.  I&#8217;ve been through the emotionalism of my Pentecostal days, the intellectual high of Calvinism and Reformed theological study and the seemingly endless quest to be &#8220;culturally relevant&#8221; (which seems to be closely related to some vague notion of &#8220;hipness&#8221; sometimes).    Right now I’m just attending church but I don’t feel like I can really engage with my whole heart because I question everything.   I just feel like I’m in this state of suspension with no solid foothold anywhere, not because there aren’t several options purporting to be solid footholds, but because I’m in a crisis as to which one to trust.  I believe the Bible, but on the deep stuff, it&#8217;s increasingly unclear as to who is viewing and interpreting it properly.  It’s wearing me out.  I just want the truth.  And I need a place to stand.</p>
<p>I just wish I believed…</p>
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		<title>Internet Monk:  The Value of Liturgy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s an excellent discussion over at iMonk&#8217;s site about liturgy.  I wanted to highlight one response from a Baptist minister in particular because he comes from a decidedly &#8220;non-liturgical&#8221; background.  I&#8217;ve said similar things in describing why I like liturgy to my anti-liturgy friends but he does an even better job.  Go check the full [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=109&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/litirgical-gangstas-10-the-value-of-liturgy" target="_blank">excellent discussion</a> over at iMonk&#8217;s site about liturgy.  I wanted to highlight one response from a Baptist minister in particular because he comes from a decidedly &#8220;non-liturgical&#8221; background.  I&#8217;ve said similar things in describing why I like liturgy to my anti-liturgy friends but he does an even better job.  Go check the full post at iMonk&#8217;s blog though to see the responses from the Eastern Orthodox, Methodist, Lutheran and Catholic contributors as well.  Here&#8217;s the snippet I liked the best:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think I’d want to start with the inevitability of liturgy. Here is something I’ve learned after a lifetime spent in churches that pride themselves in being free of liturgy and dead ceremony (terms used interchangeably in some places): the premise is absurd. There is no liturgy-free worship, and the monikor “non-liturgical” makes about as much sense as “government intelligence.”</p>
<p>The same churches that will ostensibly operate beneath the feigned guise of “free” worship or “Spirit-led” worship will inevitably, predictably, and without fail fall into a liturgy that is so set it makes the Greek Orthodox look like wild-eyed Pentecostals on speed. I’ve heard Baptist deacons anathematize written prayers only to turn around and say the same prayer over the offering plates that they were regurgitating back when Herbert Hoover was in office (i.e., “Father we just…”, “bring into the storehouse…”, “our tithes and your offerings…”, “bless the gift and the giver…”, with about 10 more “just’s” and “umm’s” thrown in). I’ve seen the same Baptist people who mock the formulaic worship of the liturgical churches respond to small changes in the customary bulletin layout with a venom that makes Genghis Khan seem like Stuart Smalley. I’ve known pastors in churches which chide the physicality and symbolism of liturgical churches almost get martyred in the center aisle for suggesting that the flag be moved from the sanctuary, or for putting their Bibles on the communion table, or for projecting a song instead of singing from the hymn book. The same Baptist who will condemn the Catholics for their relics will threaten to murder you in your sleep if you move the black-and-white picture of Miss Bussie from the display cabinet in the foyer. I’ve met more Tetzels in Baptist land than outside it.</p>
<p><strong>The only difference between the “non-liturgical” churches and the “liturgical” churches is that the former’s liturgy is (1) present but denied, (2) inherited instead of intentional, (3) culturally defined instead of ecclesiologically mandated, and (4) largely pragmatic instead of theological.</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent dustup on another blog inspired me to post something about this notion of repetitive or recited prayers. Typically, a certain canard gets thrown out when discussing liturgical worship with certain evangelical or fundamentalist Protestants. Catchphrases like &#8220;man&#8217;s traditions&#8221;, &#8220;dead ritual&#8221; and &#8220;repetition&#8221; are bandied about. You could set a sundial by this entirely [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=97&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent dustup on another blog inspired me to post something about this notion of repetitive or recited prayers. Typically, a certain canard gets thrown out when discussing liturgical worship with certain evangelical or fundamentalist Protestants.  Catchphrases like &#8220;man&#8217;s traditions&#8221;, &#8220;dead ritual&#8221; and &#8220;repetition&#8221; are bandied about.  You could set a sundial by this entirely predictable phenomenon.  It centers around Christ&#8217;s commands regarding prayer.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s examine the verse in question where Jesus talks about prayer, specifically repetitive prayer:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 6:7</strong><br />
<em>&#8220;And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.&#8221; </em></p></blockquote>
<p>The ESV does a slightly better job in my opinion of conveying the meaning of the Greek in this verse:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 6:7</strong><br />
<em>“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The Greek word translated as &#8220;vain repetitions&#8221; or &#8220;empty phrases&#8221; literally means &#8220;to stammer.&#8221;  It calls to mind more of what you&#8217;d imagine a Buddhist monk doing during Eastern forms of meditation such as humming or repeating this one syllable over and over again in an attempt to empty their mind completely.  This is obviously not the idea behind Christian prayer and meditation.  In Christian prayer and meditation, we&#8217;re actually doing the opposite&#8230;we&#8217;re filling our minds <em>with </em>something such as passages of Scripture, thoughts about some aspect of God and His character, recalling His wondrous works or His promises, focusing on events in the life of Christ (the Incarnation, the Passion, His death and resurrection).  These are all good things.</p>
<p>But sticking just to this notion that repetition itself is forbidden in Scripture&#8230;it&#8217;s completely off base.  For instance, take Psalm 136:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Psalm 136</strong><br />
<em><br />
136:1 Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever.<br />
2 Give thanks to the God of gods,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever.<br />
3 Give thanks to the Lord of lords,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
4 to him who alone does great wonders,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
5 to him who by understanding made the heavens,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
6 to him who spread out the earth above the waters,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
7 to him who made the great lights,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
8 the sun to rule over the day,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
9 the moon and stars to rule over the night,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
10 to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
11 and brought Israel out from among them,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
12 with a strong hand and an outstretched arm,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
13 to him who divided the Red Sea in two,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
14 and made Israel pass through the midst of it,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
15 but overthrew [1] Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
16 to him who led his people through the wilderness,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
17 to him who struck down great kings,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
18 and killed mighty kings,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
19 Sihon, king of the Amorites,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
20 and Og, king of Bashan,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
21 and gave their land as a heritage,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
22 a heritage to Israel his servant,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever.<br />
23 It is he who remembered us in our low estate,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
24 and rescued us from our foes,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever;<br />
25 he who gives food to all flesh,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever.<br />
26 Give thanks to the God of heaven,<br />
for his steadfast love endures forever.<br />
</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Twenty-six times the phrase &#8220;for his steadfast love endures forever&#8221; is repeated.  There are other Psalms with similar repetitive patterns.  Then there is this passage from Revelation:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Revelation 4:6b-8</strong><br />
<em>And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7 the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, <strong>and day and night they never cease to say</strong>,</em></p>
<p><em>“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,<br />
who was and is and is to come!”</em> (emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Are these living creatures that &#8220;day and night&#8230;never cease to say, &#8220;Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come&#8221; engaging in vain or meaningless repetition?  Because we&#8217;ve already established that they are engaging in repetition.  If God had something against repetition in prayer or worship, then He should banish these creatures from His presence right away so as not to contradict Himself!</p>
<p>The takeaway is this:  Jesus did not condemn repetitive prayers.  He even gave us one that we frequently repeat in church every Sunday known as &#8220;The Lord&#8217;s Prayer&#8221; (or for you Catholics, the &#8220;Our Father&#8221;).  Repetition is not the problem, <em>meaningless </em>or <em>vain</em> repetition is the problem.  Simply babbling a bunch of nonsense or repeating words over and over as if they are some sort of Christian equivalent of &#8220;abracadabra&#8221; that gets you what you want is the problem.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be put off or concerned about the misuse of the passage in Matthew if you like to use prayer beads, employ prayer books such as the Book of Common Prayer, follow the Daily Office or participate in a Liturgy of the Hours.  Obviously, the content of the prayer is important (none of that mindless humming, people) and just as important if not moreso is the intent of the heart in praying.  One can turn anything into meaningless repetition (even The Lord&#8217;s Prayer or a psalm) if they absentmindedly mumble their way through it thinking that merely uttering certain words scores brownie points with God.  Spontaneity is not the hallmark of true prayer and worship.  Meaning what you&#8217;re saying when you pray is where true prayer begins.</p>
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		<title>Your vote needed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite blogger in the world, The Internet Monk, is in the Final Four of a &#8220;best blog&#8221; contest that SBC Voices is holding.  He can really use every vote possible to win this thing as there&#8217;s a big group of voters likely to start bombarding it and voting against him.  The prize is a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=93&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite blogger in the world, The Internet Monk, is in the Final Four of a &#8220;best blog&#8221; contest that SBC Voices is holding.  He can really use every vote possible to win this thing as there&#8217;s a big group of voters likely to start bombarding it and voting against him.  The prize is a $300 gift certificate that he is going to use to buy Bibles and books for his students if he manages to win.</p>
<p>Take a second and go here:  <a title="SBC Voices Blog Madness Final Four" href="http://sbcvoices.com/bmfr/" target="_blank">SBC Voices Blog Madness Final Four</a></p>
<p>Place a vote for Internet Monk and help him win this thing.  And pass this link along to anyone you think might be willing to give him a vote.  Oh, and bookmark his site.  Excellent stuff.</p>
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		<title>Prayers would be appreciated</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For financial issues. We may be having to put a new transmission in our Honda Odyssey. I&#8217;m trying to see if Honda will cover any of it because they knew there were problems with these and extended the warranty coverage to 109,000 miles. We&#8217;re at 119,000. Based on estimates, this would eat up our entire [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=91&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For financial issues. We may be having to put a new transmission in our Honda Odyssey. I&#8217;m trying to see if Honda will cover any of it because they knew there were problems with these and extended the warranty coverage to 109,000 miles. We&#8217;re at 119,000. Based on estimates, this would eat up our entire tax refund, plus about $630 we had set aside to replace our 6-year old computer.</p>
<p>Pray for some leniency from Honda or that perhaps the transmission isn&#8217;t as bad off as our mechanic thinks it is (he doesn&#8217;t do transmissions so we&#8217;d be taking it somewhere else).  As they say, when you have plenty of money sitting in the bank for emergencies, Murphy never seems to call.</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;ve been dodging bullets all week&#8230;a coffee maker on the fritz, a clogged garbage disposal/kitchen sink and a broken toilet. Somehow managed to fix the latter two myself and the coffee maker acts weird but is continuing to function for now. Then this hits.</p>
<p>I hate financial stress.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Liturgy&#8230;lets me be&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you don&#8217;t read Amy Welborn&#8217;s blog, you need to start. Especially now. I&#8217;m amazed at her bravery as she blogs through the aftermath of her husband&#8217;s unexpected death. It&#8217;s really powerful, emotional, cathartic and redemptive. This little part at the end of today&#8217;s post stuck out to me. I agree with the sentiment at [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=81&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t read Amy Welborn&#8217;s blog, you need to start.  Especially now.  I&#8217;m amazed at her bravery as she blogs through the aftermath of her husband&#8217;s unexpected death.  It&#8217;s really powerful, emotional, cathartic and redemptive.  This little part at the end of today&#8217;s post stuck out to me.  I agree with the sentiment at any time or season of life, but seeing what she&#8217;s going through now only reinforces it.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was also grateful for liturgy &#8211; Catholic liturgy, although it is certainly characteristic of almost all liturgy, by nature &#8211; that lets me be. That prays and sings and chants of God&#8217;s love and mercy, of repentance and forgiveness, of justice&#8230;and gives me the freedom to enter this place in whatever way I choose. That does not manipulate me or try to direct my emotions. That does not demand that I respond with a certain level or type of emotion. That does not make myself and my life the center of the drama, but rather points me relentless, but compassionately and authentically, towards Christ. And allows me the space to listen&#8230;and respond, out of freedom, in my own way, on my own time. To listen.</p></blockquote>
<p>She&#8217;s on my blogroll list, but here&#8217;s the link too:  <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/viamedia/2009/03/our-lady-of-sorrows-1.html">Via Media</a></p>
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		<title>Repentance</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lent is a season of repentance. It&#8217;s a time to focus on drawing close to God. What it is not is a season to be morose or to beat oneself up about past sins already confessed and forgiven. As with many things in the Christian life, there is a balance to be found here between [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=74&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lent is a season of repentance.  It&#8217;s a time to focus on drawing close to God.  What it is not is a season to be morose or to beat oneself up about past sins already confessed and forgiven.  As with many things in the Christian life, there is a balance to be found here between taking our sins as seriously as God does and not indulging in a form of self-flaggelation to try and make sure God knows just how sorry we are.  </p>
<p>This song by Margaret Becker I think really captures God&#8217;s perspective on this.  It&#8217;s titled &#8220;Just Come In&#8221; and is from her 1988 album <i>Immigrant&#8217;s Daughter</i>:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>What do I see<br />You draggin up here<br />Is that for your atoning?<br />I know you&#8217;re sorry<br />I&#8217;ve seen your tears<br />You don&#8217;t have to show Me<br />What makes you think you must<br />Make that go away<br />I forgot<br />When I forgave<br />I wish you would</p>
<p><i>Just come in<br />Just leave that right there<br />Love does not care<br />Just come in<br />Lay your heart right here<br />You should never fear</i></p>
<p>You think you&#8217;ve crossed<br />Some sacred line<br />And now I will ignore you<br />If you look up<br />You will find<br />My heart is still toward you<br />Look at the sky<br />The east to the west<br />That&#8217;s where I threw this<br />When you first confessed<br />Let it go now</p>
<p><i>Just come in<br />Just leave that right there<br />Love does not care<br />Just come in<br />Lay your heart right here<br />You should never fear</i></p>
<p>I will forgive you<br />No matter what you&#8217;ve done<br />No matter how many times<br />You turn and run<br />I love you<br />I wish you&#8217;d come</p>
<p><i>Just come in<br />Just leave that right there<br />Love does not care<br />Just come in<br />Lay your heart right here<br />You should never fear</i></b></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Arminianism and “Once Saved, Always Saved”</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I’ve mentioned before, I grew up Methodist and then in my early teens became a member of the Assemblies of God. These two groups make up the first 24 years of my life as far as churches go. And both groups are firmly in the Arminian camp with regard to soteriology (the study of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=69&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I’ve mentioned before, I grew up Methodist and then in my early teens became a member of the Assemblies of God.  These two groups make up the first 24 years of my life as far as churches go.  And both groups are firmly in the Arminian camp with regard to soteriology (the study of salvation and how it occurs).  They believe that man has a free will and that while God does indeed reach out to us first, the moment that salvation first occurs comes when a person chooses to respond to God’s “wooing”, repent of his or her sins and accepts Christ as Lord and Savior and that it is not a result of unconditional election/choosing by God.</p>
<p>After college I moved to a new city and began attending an independent Charismatic church with a twist:  they were Reformed/Calvinist with regard to salvation.  They taught the doctrine of sovereign election and predestination in that salvation is all of God from beginning to end.  Man’s will is so corrupted that he is unable to choose God.  God therefore not only initiates in salvation, but because of man’s inability to choose Him, He chose before the foundation of the world those whom He would act upon and change their hearts so they would follow Him and respond to His call.  Others, though His general call to salvation was given to them, were not chosen and would thus be left to die in their sins.  The Calvinist would claim that unless God acts on some, no amount of mere wooing will cause a man dead in his sins to respond to God’s call.  Since God is not a universalist (meaning He chooses everyone and no one ends up in Hell), He either acts on some to demonstrate His undeserved grace and purposes in the world or everyone dies in their sins and goes to Hell.</p>
<p>This was my first encounter where Calvinism was fully explained to me.  I later attended a Presbyterian church and then a non-denominational one, both of which taught the doctrine of sovereign election and predestination, and in an even better fashion than the Charismatic church that first introduced me to it.  I devoured books like <em>The Bondage of the Will</em> by Luther, <em>The Sovereignty of God</em> by Arthur Pink, <em>Chosen By God</em> by R.C. Sproul and others.  For the next 10 years or so, I was an ardent Calvinist so far as the subject of man’s salvation was concerned.</p>
<p>Since beginning this study of Church history, I’ve come to realize there is actually a third path that Catholics, Orthodox and others take on this subject that is neither Arminian nor Calvinist.  There are even some nuances between Calvinists and Lutherans on the issues.  And I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that I can no longer honestly affirm the soteriology of Calvinism, at least not the way it is typically explained.  But that’s a discussion for another time that requires some deep thinking on Occam, Aquinas, Scholasticism and nominalist notions that I’m ill-equipped to discuss at the moment.  My focus is the issue of eternal security, or more colloquially, “once saved, always saved.”</p>
<p>Growing up Arminian, this notion never made a bit of sense to me.  But once I became a Calvinist, it made perfect sense.  Why?  Because if a person’s salvation is utterly dependent upon God choosing them, giving them the faith to believe and effectually calling them to Himself and is not a result of his own free will choice, then his it logically follows that his salvation is ultimately accomplished by God as well.  In other words, his salvation never in any way depended upon his own efforts.  It was all of God.  Therefore, “He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it in Christ Jesus.”  In this picture, God is the author, sustainer and finisher of salvation in all whom He has chosen.  No one He chooses can fall away because it’s not ultimately up to them and their efforts.</p>
<p>But in an Arminian context, it becomes completely illogical.  As soon as you insert the idea that God does not sovereignly choose some to salvation and that He merely calls/woos/persuades people, but the person makes a free will choice, you have to leave open the possibility that at some point down the road, a person can use their free will to “unchoose.”  They can later reject God and His offer of grace and salvation and turn away from Him.  </p>
<p>Other non-Baptist Arminians affirm this in various ways.  Without detailing all the nuances of difference, it generally works out something like this:  A person could come to Christ, be “born again” and obtain salvation.  And while they don’t generally believe that any one sin in and of itself would cause someone to instantly lose salvation, they would affirm that a pattern of unrepentant sin, over time, would have a corrosive effect on the person’s heart and eventually they would by their own actions and a change of their heart and will, have turned away from the faith.  They will have “lost salvation” and if they died in that state, would be condemned to hell.  And of course they would also affirm that it could be more explicit such as a person deciding at some point that they simply  no longer believe in God at all, or even if God is real, they no longer wish to obey or serve Him.  Such a person has made an explicit rejection of God and will have forfeited salvation as well.  Even Catholics, though not considered Arminian, affirm that a person can “lose salvation” by their actions after the initial moment of repentance and justification. </p>
<p>For all of the Baptist huffing and puffing about free will against the Calvinists, they completely deny human free will once a person has made a sincere repentance and has committed their life to Christ.  I find it odd that they think that a person who has not been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, in their darkened state has the free will ability to choose God, but that once a person has done so, they no longer have a free will!  They simply CANNOT decide to walk away from Him.  And when you point out examples of those who came to Christ, lived for years as faithful believers, but then at some point walked away from the faith and rejected God or have lived for years in unrepentant sin then died, they say that the person simply never was truly a believer.  Mind boggling.</p>
<p>So to me, there are two groups being logically consistent with the beliefs they claim to hold.  The Calvinists and the non-Baptist “free-willers.”  The Calvinist can logically affirm “once saved, always saved” because salvation is effected by God alone and He is not wishy washy.  He chose those whom He would save before the foundations of the world and all those whom He has chosen will persevere to the end, being upheld and sustained by Him.  Methodists, Catholics and other free-will affirmers can logically affirm that because man must cooperate with the offer of grace to obtain salvation, if the same man later chooses to cease cooperating or to explicitly turn his back on God and reject that grace, he will have forfeited salvation.   But this crazy idea that human beings can only choose God, but are not allowed or are unable to “unchoose” Him simply doesn’t add up.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Ash Wednesday</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May the Lord bless all of you as we move into this penitential season of Lent. I pray that He will grant you His grace as you enter this focused time of prayer and fasting, helping you grow in holiness and in the fruits of the Spirit. I&#8217;ll leave you today with this collect from [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=65&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6857/ashi.jpg"><img style="float:right;cursor:hand;width:160px;height:160px;margin:0 0 10px 10px;" src="http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6857/ashi.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a>May the Lord bless all of you as we move into this penitential season of Lent. I pray that He will grant you His grace as you enter this focused time of prayer and fasting, helping you grow in holiness and in the fruits of the Spirit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you today with this collect from the Book of Common Prayer and hopefully have a new blog post up in the next couple of days.</p>
<p><em>Almighty and everlasting God, you hate nothing you have made and forgive the sins of all who are penitent: Create and make in us new and contrite hearts, that we, worthily lamenting our sins and acknowledging our wretchedness, may obtain of you, the God of all mercy, perfect remission and forgiveness; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.</em></p>
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		<title>The role of feelings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The kids were sick this past Sunday and it was my turn to go to church, so I took the opportunity to go to the Anglican church. I needed some liturgy in my life. Anyway, as I was in the service I was struck by how ruled by feelings I can be. The main part [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=64&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kids were sick this past Sunday and it was my turn to go to church, so I took the opportunity to go to the Anglican church.  I needed some liturgy in my life.</p>
<p>Anyway, as I was in the service I was struck by how ruled by feelings I can be.  The main part of the service, the Eucharist, was wonderful as always.  But the rest of the service was less inspiring.  First, the organ at the church they are using until their place is built has stopped working, so it was piano only (and they indicated that’s how it would be in the new building since they won’t have an organ right away).  Then, I didn’t know any of the hymns and they weren’t particularly good (Anglican hymnody pales in comparison to that of the Methodists to me).  And finally the main rector wasn’t there this week so there was a guest speaker.  He was ok, but frankly, I’ve become quite used to hearing excellent teachers on Sunday mornings.</p>
<p>So I was sitting in the service, sorting through my feelings.  I worry sometimes that I over-romanticize things, then get tired of it or bored when the reality doesn’t live up to the ideal in my head.  Here I was in exactly the kind of church I’ve been dying to go to and everything was seemingly conspiring against me to make it less than inspiring.</p>
<p>It troubles me that I’m like this.  And I’ll admit, it’s not just a concern for me with Anglicanism, but with any thoughts of becoming Catholic.  I don’t want to feel this way.  This is a big deal to drag my wife and family into a tradition that is foreign to them and totally different from either of our immediate family.  It can’t be done on simply matters of taste and preference, which can then be so easily affected by the lack of an organ or second-rate hymnody.  It’s got to be about something deeper.  And I also understand that worship ultimately isn&#8217;t about me, it&#8217;s about God.  I do benefit and receive many blessings from worshiping God, but the main reason for being there on Sunday mornings isn&#8217;t for me to get something, it&#8217;s for me to give something.</p>
<p>And on an intellectual level, I know that if I become convinced that certain beliefs are true and are important, and I know that the church I&#8217;m attending doesn&#8217;t believe that way but another option in town does, then I should start attending the church that teaches correctly.  This becomes an even bigger deal if I become convinced of the claims the Catholic Church makes because it&#8217;s not just a matter of this doctrine or that one, but it&#8217;s a matter of believing that it is the Church that Christ and the Apostles founded and that it has been given the authority to interpret Scripture and determine correct doctrine and practice.  If I&#8217;m convinced something of that magnitude is true, how much do my feelings on how inspiring the Sunday service is really matter?  &#8220;Not much&#8221; is my educated guess.  But it depresses me to think that I&#8217;d be locked into a style of worship that really isn&#8217;t open to debate the way it is in Protestant circles and because of my ephemeral feelings, I may grow bored with.</p>
<p>Maybe you think I&#8217;m worrying about nothing, but this is the way my mind works.  I&#8217;ve jumped on trendy things in the past and have a natural bent toward things that are different from what most of my family or friends are into.  Then about the time they begin to come around on it, I&#8217;ve moved on to the next thing.  To some degree I wonder if my dalliance with Calvinism was that way.  I was so convinced it was the right view of Scripture and salvation.  Now, not so much.  Would it be like this for this liturgy or Catholicism issue?  Because that&#8217;s a whole lot of pain, stress and upheaval for something that could change in 5-10 years.</p>
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		<title>10 Really Bad Reasons Not To Have The Lord&#8217;s Supper</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From The Blogging Parson. My favorites:7. We haven&#8217;t had it for so long that now it is weird. 10. Having done away with the old formal ways of doing the Lord&#8217;s Supper, we can&#8217;t decide on a new, less formal way of doing it that isn&#8217;t awkward and weird. Read the rest at his blog. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=63&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://mpjensen.blogspot.com/">The Blogging Parson</a>.</p>
<p>My favorites:<br />7.   We haven&#8217;t had it for so long that now it is weird.</p>
<p>10. Having done away with the old formal ways of doing the Lord&#8217;s Supper, we can&#8217;t decide on a new, less formal way of doing it that isn&#8217;t awkward and weird.</p>
<p>Read the rest at <a href="http://mpjensen.blogspot.com/2009/01/10-really-bad-reasons-to-stop-having.html">his blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>Six Flags Over Jesus</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Yeah, that’s good. I guess I was thinking a little less theologically and more practical philosophy of ministry stuff. For example, missional is the opposite of attractional. The attractional church puts on the dog and pony show to get people in the door. Being a sacramental church seems to free us from the need to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thoughtsfromaragamuffin.wordpress.com&amp;blog=2062771&amp;post=62&amp;subd=thoughtsfromaragamuffin&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>“Yeah, that’s good. I guess I was thinking a little less theologically and more practical philosophy of ministry stuff. For example, missional is the opposite of attractional. The attractional church puts on the dog and pony show to get people in the door. Being a sacramental church seems to free us from the need to put on some other program. I’ve been feeling very whiny lately about the way modern evangelicalism has put a lot of pressure on po’ widdle me to provide a full service church for religious consumers. In a sacramental church I imagine I could say, “Look, I’ll minister the Word and sacraments. Y’know, the stuff that gets you to heaven? You want any of that other crap you can do it yourself.” ”</b></i></p>
<p>This was a quote from a Lutheran pastor on another blog.  It encapsulates well one of the issues I have with the modern evangelical church model.  I’ve been involved with various contemporary evangelical churches for over 20 years now.  And as my previous mentions on my religious mutt background attest, they aren’t confined to one denomination or any denomination at all.  These churches span the spectrum including Assemblies of God, Southern Baptist (my parents’ church, not mine), United Methodist, non-denominational charismatic and non-denominational non-charismatic.  To varying degrees, all of them have a sort of “all things to all people” approach.  Now, don’t take that to the nth degree or anything.  All of them are solid, Bible-believing churches well within the evangelical mainstream doctrinally.  And these churches are run by and attended by many, many people who love God.   But their ministry approach definitely reflects this notion.</p>
<p>Here’s the problem:  it is an exhausting and expensive model to maintain.  Almost every one of these churches have activities and “ministry opportunities” going on all week long.  There are home cell groups, men’s ministries, women’s ministries, Bible studies, children’s church, nursery, Sunday Schools, singles groups, divorce care, puppet teams, drama teams, a contemporary service, a traditional service.  The sheer amount of manpower to head up all of these things and keep them running year around can be staggering.  Factor in that when it involves someone that has the gift of teaching or another specific talent, and that there aren’t necessarily a ton of those people in a given congregation, the burn out potential is rather high for the handful that get called on all the time to run these things.</p>
<p>Then there’s the praise band, the orchestra, the choir, the audio/visual team, the props team.  The bar has been seriously raised in this regard over the years.  Not only do you need people with the expertise to do all this stuff, but also, it’s not cheap.  Lighting, sound gear, video equipment, computers and software…the stuff you find in many contemporary churches rival what you’d see at a rock concert a few years ago.</p>
<p>And what is the effect on the congregants?  I don’t want to paint everyone with one broad brush, but this game of oneupmanship between churches (state of the art technology, elaborate children’s ministry classrooms, etc) tends to create a consumerist mentality.  We shop for a church based on superficial concerns.  Rather than settling into a church where true fellowship happens, we get lured by the sheer deluge of opportunities.  Collective activity replaces real community.  Cool and “relevant” (the most tired and overused word in Christian circles) presentations and videos overshadow that which has sustained the Church for 2000 years:  the ministry of the Word and the sacraments.</p>
<p>Also, the net effect of the money and manpower that it takes to keep all these plates spinning and working to their full potential is that there are a lot less people-hours and dollars going toward the church reaching past its own four walls and just ministering to itself and instead reaching its community.  How often do we hear conservative Christians rant against government welfare programs and the taxes needed to sustain them while pulling up every Sunday to a concert hall with a pint-sized Six Flags Over Jesus right next to it?</p>
<p>What if the church focused on having a reasonable worship and educational space that is conducive to the sacred (read:  you’re allowed to have it look pretty and have an aesthetic that denotes that it’s a place of worship, not a warehouse, gymnasium or someone’s oversized living room), resisted the temptation to just keep building and building rather than church planting and then focused those resources of people and money toward serving the community they live in?  All kinds of possibilities come to mind but some ideas would be:  weekly free car repair for single women/mothers, free tutoring services for kids in a disadvantaged area of town, organizing volunteers to help the homeless, linking up with existing ministries like Habitat for Humanity, putting our pro-life beliefs into practice by starting a program and fund to encourage women locally not to abort but to give their child up for adoption (and having many more Christian families consider this other than when they can’t have biological children), organizing and funding free health clinics for the uninsured.</p>
<p>I could go on for days.  You could probably think of many others.  These are the kinds of things we could be doing…if we weren’t taxing ourselves with programs, ministries and expenses that leave us tapped out both financially and physically.  And I will guarantee you, if we started handling church this way, concentrating on being (as the quote put it) missional and sacramental rather than attractional, the reputation of the Church and Christians in this world would be much, much different.  You don’t draw people to Jesus by your amazing technology and Swiss Army knife ministry approach.  People are drawn to Him the same way they always have been, through love and serving.</p>
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